Iran after the war from referendum to the reaction of the system; Abdi Media's exclusive conversation with Ali Jannati

Water crisis and change of political equations

Abdi Media: Iran is thinking of its fate today, as the wound that is worn out of the crisis and thirsty for the future, now the fundamental question is, is this nation still able to give birth?  Will it be caught in the repetition of history?  Today's guest does not need to be introduced by Dr. Ali Jannati. 

Today, Iran is faced with simultaneous economic, political and social crises and an important environmental issue. How do you see the situation in Iran today?

Jannati: What we are facing today is the type of governance that the Islamic Republic had for the past 45 years, of course, in the first two years of the revolution, we were involved in the issues of the revolution, but after the first decade, the Islamic Republic was expected to be a political, economic and cultural direction.  The length of these years is that today we are facing a situation where a significant portion of Iranian society is unhappy with this type of governance, and has expressed dissatisfaction in different years in some street rallies and demonstrations in other types of articles and inscriptions, the type of governance that we have reached here.

I emphasize that unfortunately the sovereignty is not familiar with the principles and rules of governance, which is why every day economic problems, inflation, unemployment, political problems and the lack of some political freedoms in the media are accumulated;  Unfortunately, over the years, we have seen that we have had more problems in the environment in the past, many forests and rangelands have been destroyed or have been fire.  Space in southeastern Iran has a lot of problems in the capital, and in the capital we are facing such a situation that seems to have brought us the type of performance, and if efficient and capable managers were used in different sectors, we would not have seen this situation today. 

Abdi Media: Today we are facing a water crisis, people are concerned about environmental and water issues, I hope the situation will be easy.  After the war, experts and political activists believe that Iran's internal and political equations have undergone a major change, and in the internal dimension a number of events have happened in the foreign relations, what do you think of these changes?

Jannati: If you mean the equations of relations with overseas or change policies inside, I personally have not seen any changes to the Islamic Republic's policies in the field of foreign and domestic policy, during which time the Islamic Republic was expected to officially express a new perspective and strategy in the nuclear field, but in the face of many nuclear problems, but in the face of the nuclear policy,  There is no change, we have not seen a new change in the same heel.

Does Dr. Larijani's appointment mean a new politics?

Abdi Media: What should happen to say that some changes have been made, some have interpreted Dr. Larijani's appointment to the new killings and politics. Is this an interpretation of new politics?  Or all of these are all of this? 

Jannati: The subject of Dr. Larijani's appointment as the secretary of the Supreme National Security Council was a positive action, and after many years of the Secretariat of the Supreme National Security Council, it was now with Dr. Larijani, with the presence of the political background, the nation's aristocracy, the good management and so on.  But the fact that Dr. Larijani can independently play a role in changing the policies of the Islamic Republic is by no means right, even the Supreme National Security Council, where the president is at the head of the council, must ultimately be approved by the leadership, if the leadership in their own policies, and not making a new policy, we can claim that. 

Hope to change policies

Abdi Media: Even Mr. Larijani or any other person is present if policies or menus are not changed.  Do you hope for changes?  Do you think you have the hope that something special happens with the pulses that society may show or the perceptions of people's behavior in the 12 -day war or the pressures that happened after the attack?  Or politics is the same and the train moves on the same rail. 

Jannati: Of course I hope to make changes

Abdi Media: Hope is different from wish, hope must have signs.  We all wish to improve and change. 

Jannati: In the short term, I have no hope of change, I think there will be no fundamental change in policies, minor changes may occur, but the major changes that can have many social, political effects in the country do not see in the short term, but in the long run, it seems that Iranian society is moving in any way that will be able to solve problems. 

Proposal of the referendum and the Constituent Assembly;  Dr. Jannati's opinion

Abdi Media: In the meantime, especially after the 12 -day war, many civil activists or political activists who were seeking violence acted, issued a transformative policies.  Special, what do you think about Mr. Mir Hossein Mousavi's statement?  The idea of ​​holding a referendum and the Constituent Assembly.

Jannati: Current problems in the country are well known to the elite of the country in various sectors, and there is a great deal of consensus on solutions, the Islamic Republic has structural problems part of the structural problems that are in the constitution and resolve the constitutional reforms to reduce the challenges. 

To meet the demands of the people in social problems, the referendum must be held. It is also the main issue that everyone agrees, especially the reformists and the moderates, and even the former President of Dr. Rouhani has repeatedly stated in a February 22 speech that we should ask the nation.  The referendum must be held in accordance with Article 59 of the Constitution and be able to meet the demands of the people, in order to make the constitutional reforms, and to hold a referendum so that the fundamental problems with which the country is struggling can be able to discover the vote of the people, and to vote on people's votes. 

In the case of Engineer Mousavi, while accepting the principle of this issue and his suggestions, we are now in a war conditions. We have a 12 -day war. This war has not been established, even a formal fire.  But this ceasefire is very fragile, and especially the conversations that are being raised in various communities and the media these days, or Israel has not achieved its main goal that was subversive and regime change, and that it may not be an attack again, in my opinion, I do not think that the law is not in place.  These conditions are not possible for these suggestions, but the principle that Mir Hossein mentioned is the principle of acceptance.

A sense of reaction to the surprise attack and the enemy's influence

Abdi Media: How did you feel when these attacks happened in a surprise manner?  The war shocked to be targeted at this level of military commanders, and the issue of influence that I have recently seen has seen various interviews talking about much influence? 

Jannati: At the very beginning of the war, a significant number of senior military commanders of the Islamic Republic were assassinated, naturally we were shocked, we all had this situation.  Some people in the past did not believe that Israel's influence inside the country and intelligence, military, and security agencies have personally insisted that unfortunately the Zionist regime had a depth of intelligence political security agencies, we had not seen its signs in the past that the commanders were easily impressed by the commanders.

Abdi Media: A meeting of the Supreme National Security Council, attended by Mr. President and other people 

Jannati: In the past decade, we have seen assassinations, most importantly, we saw that the documents of the Islamic Republic's overall nuclear series were half where they were, and even in highly sophisticated encryption safes, indicating the depth of the influence that Israel was able to gain a few hours, but the principle of the issue was clear.  They didn't expect and naturally shocked.

Pre -war military evaluation and estimates

Abdi Media: The previous statements by the military or political authorities who were assassinated before the attack was what we do or how to deal with Israel with Israel we would equate Talavio and Haifa with the soil, but it was also unprecedented in military exercise after the military had recovered themselves.  Those who have repeatedly made special statements in the war showed that the perception and estimation of Israel were not correct.

Jannati: It seems that before the war, many military commanders appeared to be incorrect, even whether Israel would attack Iran, in conversations with Shamkhani before the events, says that neither Israel nor any other country could attack Iran.  Some commanders have always believed that if something happened, Israel would do the wrong Israel, meaning that we do not know Israel and we do not know ourselves as we should know, Israel is not the only Israeli intelligence, USA, Europe, NATO, NATO.  How much weighing our weight we have and how we can go to Israel with these possibilities, the conversations that can be found that we do not have enough information about the situation of Israel and we do not know whether we can have serious confrontation and find a definitive victory in our opposite.

Post -war internal security and confrontation

Abdi Media: We see that when the war took place, we said that we have taken such a number of drones or workshops in Iran by Israel, but there is no news these days.  It does not appear to have been the number of workshops in the war. Do you think that Iran is clean of Israel and its agents?  What can be done despite this influence in Israel's next move?  Or how to manage this space?

Jannati: There were many workshops discovered in the past, which is said to have been discovered about 10,000 drones so far and stated that our estimation is that there are about 20,000 other drones inside the country to be hidden in different sectors, but after the war with a period of time, it was possible to use it, and to use this.  The military has not been raised by military commanders, but anyway is a serious danger and Israel's influence is a serious influence, we can not ignore this, and if the Islamic Republic wants to defend itself, the Islamic Republic must be able to increase its defense capabilities and to discover the Islamic republic and to deal with the agents.

Is the system present to hold a referendum?

Abdi Media: Do you know the political space and power structure in our country, is it ready to put its own referendum?  What is accepted for my referendum so far has not accepted anything, mainly the presence of the people in the March 22 March, Quds Day march, and so on. These interpretations of the Islamic Republic are the referendum. Is it essentially a deployed system of power to put something to me?

Jannati: They haven't been so far and I do not think that in the near future, we will be changing this situation and saying that we receive the issues and problems of the country and the will of the people. The referendum was held, even the leadership in one of their speeches pointed out that I do not think all the people are.  Be. 

Listen without a filter in the cosbox

Repeat date or new experience?

Abdi Media: The Islamic Revolution in 1977 is ahead of us. When people came to the streets, Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi read a historical speech on television that did not agree with the speech, but it was a historical speech, and in which the people said that I did not hear the voice of your revolution. 

Jannati: Now that no change in the situation, even after the blows that the Islamic Republic has suffered, we have not yet come to an understanding of change in policies, the voice of the revolution may not have been heard.  I think it is too late when it passes and the system has to move to make a change in policies given the bitter experience we have passed, especially in satisfying people and resolving economic problems, but as I first mentioned, they do not understand whether there is a change in foreign or domestic policy.

The Challenges of the Constituent Assembly and the Democracy Guarantee

Abdi Media: The Contemporary Assembly had a very prominent experience in contemporary history.

Jannati: The most important thing is to have the members of the Constituent Assembly If they are to be approved by the Guardian Council, no change will be made, if there is a very minor change, there is no change in the country, but if the supervision of the law is at least removed from the Constituent Assembly and all the authorities are allowed to do so.  It is helpful and the result of a constitution that does not have structural problems, but if it is to be the same if it is agreed to form a constitutional assembly, the Candidate's qualification is approved by the Guardian Council.  Is. 

The status of the opposition and their role in change

Abdi Media: Some believe that overseas opposition has a gap and inability to submit a joint plan. On the other hand, during the 12 -day war, we saw that part of the opposition body was gathered under Mr. Reza Pahlavi, son of Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi, and what do you look at the Munich Summit?  We must review the news. You have seen the movements of the opposition. Do you think this opposition, which is mostly collected under Mr. Reza Pahlavi and has moves, though other individuals and groups are opposed to the Islamic Republic, can be an effective force to change?  When you look at their movements and actions?

Jannati: Reza Pahlavi and his accompanying team, who are a number of monarchists, can play no role in changing the government or to pursue the people, especially with Reza Pahlavi's past history and with the actions he did very easily with Netanyahu, but there was no Jewish hat on his head.  Groups such as the MEK, which are organized by the MEK, have now gathered their forces in Alani Paris. They have had experience with the world over the years, but this group cannot be influential in the country given their background.  Of course, if there are conditions for people's dissatisfaction to be demonstrated on the street and that protests are widely expressed against the system, they may be effective in those conditions, but I do not think it is accepted as an alternative to running the country in Iranian society. 

Interpretation of attacks on Mashhad and the position of the Pahlavi family

Abdi Media: The servant of the Sharif Razavi shrine is their only honor, so they have used the names of Reza. These rich and original beliefs have historically existed.  I do not want to get into the historical challenge of the Islamic Republic with Pahlavi, but the facts must be seen.  There were several attacks on Mashhad I think that because Mr. Reza Pahlavi considers himself a heir to the crown or many believed that he was a legal king, he could be a trustee of the doorstep. From their own point of view, there was a attention that a message was that the attack on Mashhad and Iran was an important issue.  What was your interpretation when you saw these movements? 

Jannati: The issue of naming Reza Shah and Mohammad Reza and Reza is based on the traditional routine, Reza Shah when it was born neither the Shah nor the Commander of the Sepah.  Soroush this old child does not understand the issues of the country at all, the consultants point to him, sometimes offering misconduct, and he or she is raising issues, even in the field of showing himself a religious person.  When his father had come to Qom in the 40s because he entered the religious environment, he said that I fell from the horse at a time and that Abbas saved me had such beliefs and statements, but his son did not understand these discussions. 

The Role of the People and Priorities of the Current Iranian Society

Abdi Media: The role of the people in the current equations and the crisis, is the Iranian society ready to change fundamental?  What is the priority of Iranian society?

Jannati: As far as I realize that the priority of the Iranian society is to stay but reform, the Iranian society does not seek to overthrow the regime, because it knows that other things may happen, and much worse than it is, the country may be chaos when no one can gather.  During the 12 -day war, they showed that they are concerned about the future, it is true that they understand the problems and are dissatisfied with many issues, but at the same time prefer to stay and reform.

What kind of reforms do you convince people

Abdi Media: What kind of reforms are people convinced?

Jannati: People are looking to make structural reforms and to move the country towards meritocracy and corruption in the performance of the problems we see today in everyday life. 

Abdi Media: You have had the experience of working within the structure of power and view from the outside. Do you think the current Iranian system has the capacity to reform deep and structural reforms?  Or should change be made from outside the structure?

Jannati: From the outside that is not changed.

The capacity of the system to reform, change outside or within

Abdi Media: I may not mean outside the borders, meaning that local foreign changes from the Arabs do not have in my question.

Jannati: If it is the case for people to reach a level that the system feels that the overwhelming majority of the people are looking for changes, it seems to be a change;  Perhaps the understanding of the system is that it is not that the overwhelming majority of the people are unhappy or the overwhelming majority of the people want to change, so we are trying to continue this process;  But if they feel that people are seriously demanding changes, it seems that the system has the capacity to make changes to the policy. 

Comparison of the Revolutionary Leadership 1977 with the assumption of foreign support

Abdi Media: Some other interpretations do I would like to ask you, will the Iranian people and society accept the leadership to be restored by foreign power to their country?  He arrives in Iran with the helicopter of the F35 fighter jet and takes the Iranian leadership.  Some point out that Ayatollah Khomeini entered the country in 1977 with the support of Americans and the British;  Or they say that the French plane brought Ayatollah Khomeini to Iran what do you think about this analogy?  Do people accept the leadership to be provided with the support of foreign forces?

Jannati: An analysis that some have on the arrival of Iran and the 1977 revolution is a completely wrong analysis, as a person I have been directly witnessed by the Iranian nation's campaigns since the beginning of the 40s, and I saw his lectures, the clergy, the students, the marketers, and during the 17 -year  The various strata of the Imam had trusted the Imam and stood behind them, and the Imam was relying on the vote and trust of the people in the country, the words and claims that the British or the French or others made the Imam in the country.  Until the last moment, the British and the US was offered suggestions for the survival of the Shah, the people's public pressure and street conflict resulted in the victory of the revolution.  This claim is absurd.  In the current situation, the Iranian nation does not accept any foreign factor, no alternative to know that the foreign country is behind it.  A person like Reza Pahlavi, who is Israel behind him, is absolutely not accepted, if they know that the Americans and Europeans are individual supporters, they will not accept him.  A minority may accept this.

The position of opposition forces and unity in the crisis of war

Abdi Media: While it is heard that it says that for the likes of you or many of the mullahs, a light beam has been abandoned.  The likes of you, who were powerful during the post -revolutionary days, stood strongly behind Iran during the 12 -day war, even defending the military, at least separating their lines, saying that we were standing against the enemy and foreign forces attacking Iranian territory.  You can't close the eyes and see one direction.  How did you feel during the war?  On the other hand, some believed that they would be comfortable, but they were publicly commented on, but these people who were upset and radical and sharp talk were stood behind Iran.

Jannati: The minority was willing to change at any cost, the majority of the people, even the opposition forces, defended the territorial integrity and the country's army, a person like Dr. Soroush, Dr. Atallah Mohajerani, prisoners like Mr. Tajzadeh, where they felt that the country was in danger.  In 1948, he was able to establish this country in 1948, and to this day, the same assassination around the world has been able to survive, the rape he had in 1967 in 1967, then occupied sections, Israelis have to pursue our past lands from Nile to Euphrates,  They defended and condemned the Israeli attacks. The minority might have been very unhappy and claimed that this system should go to anyone we accept. 

What questions should be raised in referendum

Abdi Media: If we are to be held today, ask people to ask people what questions should you ask?

Jannati: Let's assume with the consent of my referendum. We must ask the people a few points. First, people have found that many of the problems that are now in the country are fragile sanctions imposed on the country, problems and recession, inflation, energy crisis, failure, and foreign policy.  They emphasize that today Americans have a decisive role in the world.  In a period of time, sanctions from the UN Security Council were all committed to Trump alone imposed sanctions on the country, then imposing sanctions on other countries, saying that no country has the right to violate the sanctions we impose on Iran, even if it violated the country.  It buys oil, or was overwhelmed with the country.  People have touched these problems and realized that America is a power in the world, so why we do not solve problems and challenges with America. 

One of my referendums should I think you are ready to tension and normalize with a country like the US that has been hostile to our country?  About 20 years ago the Islamic Republic has been involved in the nuclear issue, which is why many sanctions have been imposed on the Islamic Republic, saying that you are not always looking for a nuclear bomb, the supreme leader has repeatedly issued fatwas and the use of nuclear bombs, if we have been in the nuclear bomb.  Have you measured the pressures imposed on us?  Over the past two decades, we have either spent $ 2,000 billion or had no benefit, meaning many of our work in the country could not do so because of the sanctions, many projects were not implemented, we failed to use South Pars gas, petrochemicals have not been launched.  Do we just have to pay for nuclear fuel?  While the fuel of the Bushehr power plant is supplied by the Russians, the Russians are supplied by the Russians, technology and technology are highly valuable, the mother of other technologies, fortunately the Islamic Republic has achieved this technology, but we are not insisting on enrichment or not even giving up.  Ask people that you are ready to continue to insist on past nuclear policies?  People will answer, if people said we are not ready to suspend this nuclear program, we must respect the will of the people. 

Everyone believes that the constitution has structural bugs on the subject of a possible referendum to ask people whether we are ready to amend the constitution to form a Bonachi Assembly to amend the law.  The things I mentioned can rely on the people's vote.

What questions should be asked in the referendum?

Abdi Media: If such a referendum is held, what is the guarantee that people believe in the result, the referendum that the system itself has, there are many revolutions, there is unfortunately there is no confidence stone.

Jannati: If the system accepts the referendum principle, it seems to me to be largely guaranteed, the tips I mentioned are the majority of the people that the majority of the monitoring and the acknowledgment may happen and that two percent of the votes may be harmful, but in principle it has no effect.

The current crisis of management, ethics and structural problems

Abdi Media: Some believe that more than the crisis is political and ethical, and so on?

Jannati: The current crisis is for all sectors. One of our problems is the problem of inefficiency and inadequacy of many managers who have become the source of many issues, unfortunately today, corruption in the executive agencies, the municipality, the judiciary, the legislature, and so on.  Not that exacerbates dissatisfaction. 

Abdi Media: You mentioned three titles on my referendum. I think your ceiling or maximum desire for my referendum or your suggestion for my referendum was the subject of the constitution.  In 1979, an option of the Islamic Republic was not a word more than a word nor a word to the public, part of these crises and bugs that still exist some believe because of the ideological view that has existed for years.  You participated in a great religious family during the 1977 Revolution, the role of religion was much more bold than it is today, but do you think Iran today demands a change in government?  Can Iran experience the separation of religion from politics? 

Jannati: There is no doubt about the ideological system, but it does not mean changing the Islamic Republic, there is also the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan and Pakistan that a Muslim country who is a Muslim nation and the majority of the Muslim nation has been the basis of the Islamic name, a hypothesis that religion is not separated from Islam, and therefore.  And they have said that the approvals that are coming out of the paradise should adapt to the constitution that do not oppose this law to adapt to the Islamic Shari'ah that is compatible with the Shari'a and is not contrary to Islamic jurisprudence;  But in the public policy and foreign policy in an ideological way to sacrifice national interests for ideological interests, people may not accept it, but this does not mean changing the Islamic Republic to say that the Islamic Republic must be changed, in a style in domestic and foreign policy that the national interests of the country and the people's opinions are to be preserved. 

The desire to preserve the Islamic Republic by changing practices

Abdi Media: Some are looking for a change, which is an Islamic word because it is an Islamic word that is emphasized on the discussion of hijab and coverage.  You mentioned that the Islamic Republic can remain in the same structure, but its procedures are transformed and the constitution is based on the constitution. 

Jannati: The subject of hijab does not come to Islam. We assume that republicanism means providing people's will, if a considerable part of the people was to choose their own lifestyle and coverage, the republican requires that we provide people's opinion, a significant portion of the people say we want to have a hijab if we want to have a hijab.  As for ethnicity and religions, we must assume that all ethnicities, religions and groups and tribes in the country are citizens of the Islamic Republic and must enjoy equal rights;  No one can be a second -class citizen and say that because he is a second -rate citizen, he should not be sensitive to such a post, just as the Shiite person is in a sensitive post, even if he is competent and efficient, he must be able to be in the same post and have equal rights.

Can the current system rebuild public trust?

Abdi Media: Public trust must be rebuilt or that confidence is lost, do you think the current structure has the power to rebuild public trust?

Jannati: It is capable of rebuilding if they will, of course, take a lot of time, what we call distrust of the system by the majority of the people, this is the product of the performance of the past four decades, naturally reform and public confidence and public satisfaction require time, but if the will is for the sake, it is not time to do so. 

Abdi Media: The experience of some countries has shown that if the transition occurs, the transition is more dangerous than the crisis without a clear roadmap, this transition is a variety of interpretations of the interpretations of the revolution and the overthrow of the Constitutional Assembly and the change of constitution and fundamental reform within the constitution;  Is there a radical or soft or middle limit, is there?  Do you hear whispering?  What is your interpretation?

Jannati: I don't believe much about the word transition.  There must be a new strategy to cross this step.  I believe that today the country's elites, including those who were in the past, have been in the country's high -level management, some presidents, ministers, senior executives, academics, educated, many politicians plan for the future and reform of the country;  The Reform Front has expressed its views on changing the status quo, these are a new strategy. We must be able to fulfill these strategies and pursue these policies and cover the community.  I think these are there and it is not complicated that I can't get.  

Advice to the younger generation of Iran

Abdi Media: You are an experienced politician in the field of the Islamic Republic What is your advice to the younger generation?  

Jannati: A significant portion of the community, especially the younger generation, is concerned about the future, and some are disappointed with the future. This is clearly evident in migration, the utmost wishes for students to go out of the country and go to universities abroad and live a quiet life. 

Hope means dream, not what I think will come true.  This generation will not shine the current situation, and I think the future that this generation makes is a bright future, Iran will be a prosperous Iran, but unfortunately, its distance from neighboring countries will remain, and if they try too much, they would keep the country in a lot of progress, such as today, such as South Korea.  The third or fourth place is among all countries in the world, young people, scientists, scholars in the world have shown that they were able to have good innovations, the future of this generation is bright and prosperous, and I don't think it will be long as the country's conditions will change and the bright future will be awaiting the country. 

Take a look at Iran in the next ten years

Abdi Media: What would be that sentence if you are going to describe Iran for another ten years?

Jannati: Iran flourished and experienced from the past 

Abdi Media: Do you think we will learn?

Jannati: We will definitely learn.

Abdi Media: I have always written in some of my notes. If we do not know history and do not receive the history of lessons and experiences, we are doomed to wandering in Grafia. This is the issue of geography and history. 

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