Examining the Consequences of Iran's War with Israel in the Context of Trump's Presidency at the Simorgh Barikh Think Tank Meeting

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On Sunday, November 11, a meeting of the Simorgh Barikh think tank was held on the subject of the consequences of the Islamic Republic's war with Israel in the context of Trump's presidency, and familiar names such as Sadegh Zibakalam, Ahmad Bokharaei, and Mehdi Motaharnia spoke.
The consequences of the Islamic Republic's war with Israel in the context of Trump's presidency were the subject of a meeting at the Simorgh Barikh think tank held by the Iranian Sociological Association (the Department of Political Sociology in cooperation with the Futures Studies Group) on Sunday, November 11.
The live meeting had a large and wide audience inside and outside the country, through Google Meet, and the communication was interactive.
The host and one of the two hosts of the program was Mehdi Motaharnia, who himself at the Simorgh Futurist think tank, is looking for this kind of enlightening dialogue focused on the current and future situation in Iran.
The two sides of the conversation were well-known academic figures in the two fields of political science, Sadegh Zibakalam and political sociologist, Ahmad Bokharaei, both of whom had their views and words in this discussion, along with the host of the program, Mehdi Motahharnia, the social futurist.
Both, and perhaps all three, of them looked at the Islamic Republic's perception and behavior during the last decades after the revolution, and when they reached the "present day", they saw the contradictions and contradictions in foreign policy as more intense than at any other point after the revolution. Zibakalam in one way and Bokharai in another way, dealt with the evidence of the contradictory thinking and behavior of the officials, managers, and leaders of the country, examples of which are given below.
You must have seen and heard Zibakalam in videos these months asking who, what institution, organization, and authority has given the Islamic Republic a mission to destroy Israel?!

Again, in this meeting, he answered the same question in detail and for half an hour, and referred to the forty-six years of potential and actual elimination of Israel from the scene by the Islamic Republic.
Zibakalam began to give examples in 2003, when the Iranian Nuclear Energy Company was incepted and established. Ever since Mohammad Khatami was president, the news of his nuclear activity had leaked out of the country through the Mojahedin-e Khalq Organization (the Mojahedin-e Khalq Organization) and had attracted the attention and question of Europe, saying, "Why are you unaware and sneaky?!" At the same time, Khatami considered the launch of nuclear energy to be a necessity and expressed that we were in the preliminaries and did not see the need to inform about the preparations for nuclear activity. He defended that we want to have peaceful nuclear energy, and the Leader of the Revolution issued a fatwa saying that in Islam, weapons of mass destruction are forbidden and we do not commit forbidden acts. He cites the example of Ali Larijani, when he was the secretary of the Supreme National Security Council, and he spoke about nuclear energy and that we reach nanotechnology through nuclear energy, and the Westerners do not want us to achieve nanotechnology at all.

He also said of Ahmadinejad: "When Ahmadinejad later became president, he announced that nuclear energy would bring us 250 industries! And when we asked him, just tell us five related industries, or even one, we didn't hear a clear answer. God knows how much we have spent on a nuclear program. Because they wouldn't give us any more, and we had to start everything from scratch. I can sew this coat, but well, I have to train first and pay a lot of time and money, while I can buy a coat for one million tomans, two million tomans, five hundred thousand tomans. This is exactly what we did in the nuclear program. We reinvented the wheel ourselves in the core! Do you know why we are so opposed to Iran's nuclear activity in the world? Because from the very beginning, forty-six years ago, we said that we must destroy Israel! We chanted slogans and did as much as we could. This was the fight. The problem was this. However, for other countries that wanted to have nuclear energy, there was no opposition. Even developed countries helped them. One of my legal cases was related to Isfahan University of Technology, where Mr. Ali Akbar Salehi, I think he was the acting Minister of Foreign Affairs at the time, and they said that we know Dr. Zibakalam, but we wonder why he is so opposed to our activities in nuclear energy. Salehi said to me, "Mr. Doctor, we will have five nuclear power plants to produce electricity by the end of the 1990s. We are so insistent on enrichment, for this reason. Well, it is now 1403 and three years have passed since that date and since 1400. Where are your five power plants?! Yes, there is a power plant in Bushehr that is smudging, and God knows how much money we gave the Russians and are giving them to keep it afloat. How much did we spend on the Axis of Resistance and Hamas? What happened then? Who is the Axis of Resistance?

What has been the achievement of these expenditures? The curse of the Syrian people against the Islamic Republic of Iran. Why? Five thousand people were killed there so that Bashar al-Assad could stay afloat. By whom? Iran and Russia. You show a case where an Israeli has said just today, November 11, 2024, or two years ago, or twenty years ago, 40 years ago, that we want to remove the father of the Islamic Republic, we do not have eyes to see Iran. We want to destroy the Islamic Republic. Which of them said? Now, which of us did not say that we want to destroy Israel?!"
In the meeting, which was held online, one of the listeners asked Zibakalam: "You are not the same as you used to be since you came out of prison. Zibakalam replied with a smile: "Yes, when I got out of prison, some people think that I was like a bowl of destruction! But if there has been any change in me, it is after the events of October 7. Because of their hatred of the Islamic Republic of Iran, many people are willing not to give up on the Palestinians. But I am a truth-seeker, and in order to remain popular with the public, I am not willing to give up the truth and turn a blind eye to Netanyahu's crimes after October 7."
The university professor, who has many supporters and opponents, added at the meeting: "I do not deny Israel's crimes and brutalities, I just wanted to know who has given the Islamic Republic of Iran a mission to destroy Israel, whether from inside or outside. When I asked the other side the same thing in conversations and debates, he would reply, "You, who are university professors, do you not know about the crimes of the Zionist regime?" Nuclear scientists assassinated us in the 1990s.
I would have said, "Yes, I consider Israel a criminal, a murderer, and a terrorist, but this is not the answer to my question." I say, who considers it the duty and mission of the Islamic Republic to destroy Israel? Their answer was: the Qur'an. But when we go back a little further, we see that the history of Israel's removal from the face of the earth goes back to 1979. The year that Ayatollah Khomeini said that if anyone pours a bucket of water on Israel, Israel will be eliminated. I would like to say that here no institution, individual, population or organization has told the Islamic Republic that it is your duty to destroy Israel, but it has said 'ideology'!"

The moderator of the meeting, Motahharnia, addressed Ahmad Bokharaei, saying: "Mr. Zibakalam has said from the past to the present, 'Your Excellency, tell us about today's situation and the coming of Trump, and what will happen next.'"
Ahmad Bokharaei said: "I am here to serve you as one of the two hosts, more than political sociology in the vicinity of futurism (with a hand point, towards Motahharnia), it is a primary platform that we are at your service and I would like my friends to participate, as stated in the poster of the meeting, this is a dialogue.
Here I will definitely return to the key and important question of Mr. Zibakalam: Where did this slogan of "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" come from, and who said that the Islamic Republic should eliminate Israel? Of course, we know from its epistemological background that we all review wherever we are on this planet. But now it's Trump's discussion. In those four years that we had experience, he withdrew from the JCPOA and imposed severe sanctions on Iran, which caused Iran's oil sales to remain at 400,000 barrels per day. When Biden came in, this 400,000 was almost quadrupled, sometimes reaching 1.8 million barrels per day. Well, this sale of oil is also important for us. More than one-third of the country's budget, which is 6,500 hemats, is from oil and gas. So this also has a special place, so we have Trump's role in reducing oil sales. When he left, our oil sales increased, but now Trump is back. Trump has not changed.
It is my business that has two axes: its policies. One is profit-oriented, and the other is decisiveness. These two material and non-material dimensions constitute Trump's hardware and software characteristics. Trump has not changed. The same Trump is now mature in the world of politics. A few days ago, I heard him directly in one of these media outlets saying, "These fights are like the fights of schoolchildren, they have to make a fuss during recess so that the principal comes and separates them." It means that I will eventually separate. But it's interesting that they have to make a fuss first! And he is exactly right. The parties to the conflict must reach a point where they become thirsty and feel the need for that one drop to stick to their palate!

Now, gentlemen say no, it doesn't matter to us, whether it's Biden or Trump. They are lying. Because it is different. Four years ago, you said that Trump went to the dustbin of history. You have this analysis. But Trump is back! Since it was important to you, you said that there was a germ of corruption that was gone, and now a balanced person like Biden has arrived. How did you come back now that these two are on the same side for you?! Now, in the meantime, whether it is a fundamentalist, a reformist, a foreign minister, a doctor, or a leader, they are all in the same story and say that it does not matter to us whether it is Trump or Biden! There is no one here to say why Daddy is different.
It's your no longer sleeping. Dreaming! On the other hand, the side that is chosen, the Arab countries are the pioneers in warmly congratulating them! In other words, they did not even allow the vote to be finalized and later after the electoral votes were counted, they would say their congratulations. How warmly Turkey congratulated him! Now, here it means so strongly, the unity of the government?! And it doesn't really make any difference to them?! Either they are really asleep, or they have fallen asleep.
They do not wait three days to see what the outcome of the US presidency will be, they insist on fulfilling the promise of Sadiq 3 and shooting at Israel! We will beat them 100 percent, and they didn't, and now that Trump has come, I think that Sadegh 3 will be appeased." (Zibakalam with a smile): "He went to the archives!"

Bukharaei: "Now they may fire 50 missiles at a place or the Iraqi Popular Mobilization Forces and say, 'We hit anyway!'
John Thompson has a book called Modern Ideology and Culture. It explains ideology in its general sense. Now, Islamic ideology is one of these ideologies. Paranormal and Celestial Ideology. He says that these ideologies have five common styles.
One is the façade of legitimacy. They want to create legitimacy for themselves in different ways and strategies. In fact, they give a show of legitimacy by saying that we have legitimacy.
One is hypocrisy. One is false symbolic unity, which wants to create unity under a flag and symbol and pursue their own goals. One is fragmentation, by fragmentation, they can challenge domination. This is exactly the policy of the Islamic Republic against the opposition. It penetrates. costs. In other words, he feels that an alliance is forming somewhere, and he adopts a policy of fragmentation that can divide that alliance, and the other is fragmentation. That is, it makes something that has a short and transient period look very big, symbolic, and long-term to its followers. Where does this anti-Israel come from? I searched through these five and found it in hypocrisy.

In these five, the hypocrisy I saw, I realized that they were "misunderstanding." They create ambiguity and ambiguity. What doesn't exist, they put it in a messy mold and create it themselves that only they can interpret. In other words, the right to interpretation, the right to explain, belongs solely to them. They make it incomprehensible, and whatever explanation and interpretation there is, it is only with them, and this is how they stay afloat. For example, they make something out of Israel. It is not said that there was a kingdom of Judah in 2000 B.C. They don't say that, for example, these Israelis, Byzantine Christians, were there until the seventh century, and now the Arabs are opening their feet there and there have been conflicts. They do not say that Palestine, including Palestine, has no origin there. That is, when you look at history, you see that there was no country called Palestine at all. They come from the middle and say that defending the oppressed means that this is how they build.
If we can analyze this process and extract these constructed concepts, then it will be better to understand what Thompson is saying. This in itself is really a theoretical framework of research. Now, on the other hand, we have Mr. Araghchi who comes and raises the issue of mutual respect, and on the other hand, Mr. Zarif comes and says that we are the proxies of the Palestinians! In other words, they have turned their role into a proxy. That is, we are. We are at the service of the Palestinians. They are not proxies, we are proxies! Zarif, who is a reformist, for example, says this, Kayhan and these people whose task is clear. In other words, contradictions in broad daylight!

I don't know, do you mean that people are considered stupid? Don't they really understand themselves? Or do they understand that this is how they enter? On the other hand, this swearing of sisters and mothers gives to Israel and the United States, and on the other hand, the foreign minister speaks of mutual respect. Ah! Do you want to respect America? So, as a result, you have to respect Israel as well.
Last year, a week or two after the October 7 incident, I had a debate with Mr. Sajjad Saffar Harandi, the son of the great Saffar Harandi, in which I said that this war that has begun, Gaza will be destroyed, the proxies will be weakened, and then Israel will come to Iran. Dr. Sajjad Saffarharandi laughed and said, "No, Mr. Doctor, we are there... In other words, I want to say that there were a thousand missiles in his mind, and with these thousand missiles, they thought that Israel's work was finished. Now that they have come to Iran and Iran, which is in a weak position."
Dr. Mehdi Motaharnia said: "Mr. Bokharaei! I enjoyed your remarks that you made your points within Thompson's theoretical framework and did not leave that framework until the end. Here at the Simorgh think tank, we have nothing to do with the Islamic Republic. We are looking at the future of Iran. Our slogan is the future of Iran and Iran is the future. That means all Iranians. Futures studies have a model. Our discussion here is about the Ferris driver.
It is not unlikely that the daughter of a certain university will also be created in the revolver. Iran is now on the brink of collapse. Self-destructiveness now exists in Iran. Now, the impact of the events cube on trends in relation to Iran has been activated. "We have been in a suspended war since October 7, and now we are in a miniature war situation."

Motaharnia's words and outlook on the future of Iran were dynamic and meant a warning to the rulers and those who set the status quo, and evangelization to a wide range of sympathetic and scattered sympathetic populations.
He had a brief review of the same year 1979, when the national and public presence was literally and horizontally in the scene of metamorphosis and transformation, but soon the horizontal rule faded and "everyone" remained blind to the horizon of a pillar.
The moderator of the meeting and the director of the Simorgh Barikh think tank said: "The revolution took on an Islamic extension. Then it became jurisprudential, then it became ideological, and then it became theological. In the second leadership, since 2008. That is, I am the orbit of truth and others are false, and this context in which you want to define yourself based on the enemy becomes concentrated. In other words, if they take away the fight against the United States and Israel, what else do you have in terms of identity?"
One of the listeners of this conversation, from the virtual world, was connected to this meeting in the real world and asked Zibakalam: "I enjoyed this detailed conversation of yours for an hour or two, because it was all reasoning and logical and correct. I would like to ask, do they not know this, i.e., the leaders of the country? Or is there no one who can pass on a copy of such conversations to the Supreme Leader, for example?"

Zibakalam answered with a smile for a few seconds: "This question of yours is a normal question and has been asked many times. I have been teaching constitutional history for many years until the present day in the Faculty of Law and Political Science, but now of course I am banned from teaching, I don't know if maybe we are talking here for a while, or maybe not, some of our words are true and realistic, look, let me cut it short. In the systems, in the systems... What can I say so that I don't get into trouble later, (as if he soon found the relatively life-saving words) totalitarian and authoritarian systems, often between the authorities and the realities, there is a wall!"
The meeting lasted two and a half hours, and in the last minutes, Zibakalam raised the issue of democracy in Iran, saying that if we want democracy to take hold in Iran, we must stop the Raisi and the Jalilis. "If we were silent about raising the issue of democracy in Iran, which Mr. Zibakalam said, it does not mean that we approve of his request, and we must discuss it one day."
When Mr. Motahharnia was busy thanking this gathering and the conclusion, Zibakalam jokingly entered and said: "May the reward of this assembly reach ... (Laughter) Of course, our words, which were all misguidance and corruption, etc.!